Spawnmasons - vc-text

whether its just oxygen we breath of parts of his carbon

ok lets k....

16:05

@Brother leijurv please analyse the gas chamber comparison argument and say who is stupid today

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would you use a gas chamber to kill one person if it magically teleported you to your destination afterwards?

i wouldnt

does killing a person who is already going to hell really matter anyways?

oh boi

pepsi moment

Its a bad example because you could easily just say Well horse and buggy was once a valid method of transportation and the rest of world uses other methods better, so horse and buggy is ineffective in your country but instead you say WELL Actually gas chambers were useful for the time but we dont STILL use them (edited)

SilverEyes

Its a bad example because you could easily just say Well horse and buggy was once a valid method of transportation and the rest of world uses other methods better, so horse and buggy is ineffective in your country but instead you say WELL Actually gas chambers were useful for the time but we dont STILL use them (edited)

whore and buggy

kek

16:09

freudian slip

I think comparing a method of execution to a method of transportation is inherently a bad faith argument

thank you

16:10

Brother Todarac

I think comparing a method of execution to a method of transportation is inherently a bad faith argument

is arguing in bad faith for a true position actually wrong?

i think its ok to make an extreme comparison to show how a reasoning can be defective

I disagree

what is a "true position" though, thats what we're trying to find

Brother Todarac

what is a "true position" though, thats what we're trying to find

my position

Brother Entropy

i think its ok to make an extreme comparison to show how a reasoning can be defective

because with an extreme comparison you are likely to convince nobody with rather a resonable example (edited)

16:11

it was just a bad example

SilverEyes

America literally invented car industry and people act like is surprising america uses cars (edited)

you should not forget that the gas chamber argument was made as a response to this statement, which is in my opinion pretty low IQ to begin with

How is that low IQ

>Hey here in the netherlands we have chocolate for breakfast haha, its not the healthiest but we love it >American: well actually thats not healthy, we used to play russian roulette here in america but we dont do that any more, thats what you guys are doing thats how silly u guys sound

It would make sense the builders of car industry and the second industrial revolution have the most cars

nobody says its surprising we just say its bad

He said the statement is low iq in which I claimed that, not the argument (edited)

Brother Entropy

nobody says its surprising we just say its bad

and specifically, we KNOW it's bad and therefore should change it

you use it as if it excuses using cars everywhere in this day and age (edited)

SilverEyes

America literally invented car industry and people act like is surprising america uses cars (edited)

this is actually not a stupid sentiment, in fact the europeans loved the car idea so much that the germans actually STOLE the idea and made it their whole national identity with BMW

16:14

see now thats a good bad faith argument

16:14

good x (bad faith)

Fine German engineering

mothra is gonna eat this

Brother Entropy

mothra is gonna eat this

fuck

It's a bad argument because it didn't relate to what we were talking about. We were not "surprised that Americans use cars" we were discussing city layouts (at least I was) The statement Silver made did not refer to any point I was making, it was just hot air

the car industry in america and american city layouts are definitely linked together

in a bad way

of course they are, but that wasn't necessary to mention because I didn't claim anything else

Brother Entropy

in a bad way

no, in a pretty significant way, there are examples of the US destroying walkable cities in order to make them more car friendly

lel

in fact my own city of houston in ~1912 is actually a case study for this

oil and car lobby must be strong